you know, the people that taught her about women were russian jewish immigrants, rose snyderman and maude schwartz, so she has a very different attitude about that by the time the commission has really taken off. >> i thought it was so interesting to learn from you about hansa mata and the work at the human rights commission at the u.n. and in particular i was wondering if we could look at eleanor's two books that had a lot to do with women and how her views may have changed between writing them. so in 1933, i know that she wrote "it's up to the women." and then in 1962 just before she died she was finishing "tomorrow is now." and i'd love to know how her views of women's involvement in the political sphere and in rights in general changed over time. >> well, they're fairly radical. i mean, eleanor when she's -- she grows up in a very traditional home and she's radicalized by this woman whose name is mademoiselle avast, who was her great teacher, who eleanor later describes as a closet bolshevik. that's her term. and told her that the only way to really understand what somebody thinks --